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How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please
Posted by Paul Coggan on Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:18:09 AM
In reply top null posted by null on null
Many times there have been a long discussions (on several forums) about the terms we use to describe airworthy historic warbirds. In 1987 a much respected Historic racing car specialist, Dennis Jenkinson, published a book called ?The Directory of Historic Racing Cars?. It contained some very valid points and a glossary of terms used in this sector. So, using Dennis Jenkinson?s terms as a basis I suggest the following for use in the vintage aircraft world. These are personal opinions and I respectfully seek your views.
Apologies for the length of post and I hope you will take the time to read it and make some considered posts in response. When I first read Mr. Jenkinson?s terms I wasn?t sure they could be adapted for use with vintage aircraft, but the more I think about it the more it makes sense. The words ?entity? and ?continuous history? are all key here.
Original: It is unlikely that any vintage aircraft or warbird will fall into this category. To meet these criteria the aircraft would have to have been rolled off the production line straight into a museum. Just as with ?old cars? the warbird restoration industry has often used the terms ?almost original?, ?restored original? and these are useless because they are unquantifiable.
Genuine: Where a warbird has had an active and continuous life and has ?not disappeared from public view? or ?changed its character in any way? the aircraft should be considered genuine as long as its basic character and purpose has not been altered. Even if the aircraft has been in continuous use and has had worn out components replaced or new tyres or a new engine/s it should be considered genuine.
Authentic: This is applicable to an aircraft that has never been lost from view and is an ?entity? which is best described as the sum of parts, has always been around in some form or other but has now been reworked back to the specification that it was in when it was first built or some subsequent point in its history. May have been restored using genuine parts or reproduction parts in the case of minor items.
Resurrection: Lacks a continuous history as an entity. Some military aircraft, when phased out of active service were scrapped, dismantled, or robbed for parts. Eventually so little of the aircraft remained to form an acceptable entity even though most of its component parts were scattered around. This is classed as a resurrection.
Reconstruction: This can be an aircraft reconstructed from a single component or a collection of components from a variety of aircraft but generally there is little left of the original airframe apart from its history and character. From this small collection of minor parts a new aircraft is constructed.
Facsimile: Simply a warbird that now exists where it did not originally. As an example if an aerospace company builds eight aircraft and there are now nine in existence the ninth can only be a facsimile, reproduction, clone or copy. If the same people or factory built the ninth aircraft then it could be argued that it is a replica. (I personally don?t go for the ?this is original because it is an extension of the original production run?. By attaching an identity to an airframe that runs on from the original production run doesn?t cut the mustard with me either).
Duplication: This is a problem that is starting to raise its head in the world of vintage aircraft and the reason why we need to look at how we describe new projects. There have been instances where aircraft have been ?written off? and only minor components used in the reconstruction of ?new? aircraft and on more than one project. This leads to duplicate identities and unfortunately the disease is spreading. Genuine enthusiasts, collectors and owners frown on and disapprove of this practice. At best this borders on fraud.
Would appreciate your views on this ? and please remember these terms are for airworthy aircraft.
Paul Coggan
Follow Ups:
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Tim Savage Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:28:10 AM
- $4,000,000 for a Buffalo wreck? I think they have Tim - Tony Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:33:35 AM
- Re: $4,000,000 for a Buffalo wreck? I think they have Tim - Tim Savage Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:04:36 AM
- Hahahahahahaa point taken Tim :0) N/T - Tony Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:49:59 AM
- Re: $4,000,000 for a Buffalo wreck? I think they have Tim - Tim Savage Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:04:36 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought pl - Paul Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:36:45 AM
- $4,000,000 for a Buffalo wreck? I think they have Tim - Tony Tue Dec 04, 2001 08:33:35 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Christer Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:34:19 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Jim Harley Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:49:25 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Scott WRG Editor Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:24:26 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought pl - Paul Wed Dec 05, 2001 07:59:49 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought pl - Scott WRG Editor Wed Dec 05, 2001 08:17:15 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought pl - MGM Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:20:07 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought pl - Paul Wed Dec 05, 2001 07:59:49 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Scott WRG Editor Tue Dec 04, 2001 11:24:26 AM
- Caveat - Paul Coggan Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:55:52 AM
- "and Ladies and gentlemen if u look to the ...... - Tony Tue Dec 04, 2001 03:54:31 PM
- Re: "and Ladies and gentlemen if u look to the ...... - Jim H Tue Dec 04, 2001 04:30:11 PM
- Well, I think that about nails that topic.....(N/T) - James D Tue Dec 04, 2001 05:38:41 PM
- Well, not really ...... - Christer Tue Dec 04, 2001 06:52:10 PM
- Yes really - Tony Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:48:07 PM
- Re: Well, not really ...... - MGM Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:19:42 PM
- Re: Well, not really ...... - Christer Wed Dec 05, 2001 05:34:03 AM
- Well, not really ...... - Christer Tue Dec 04, 2001 06:52:10 PM
- You got my vote Tony!!! - Will Fowler Tue Dec 04, 2001 07:42:38 PM
- Over-priced? - Steve Young Wed Dec 05, 2001 08:51:27 AM
- Sometimes yes, sometimes no - Christer Wed Dec 05, 2001 09:25:47 AM
- Over-priced? - Steve Young Wed Dec 05, 2001 08:51:27 AM
- Mind if I add an addendum to Tony's post? - Dan Johnson Wed Dec 05, 2001 12:58:08 AM
- Re: "and Ladies and gentlemen if u look to the ...... - Paul Wed Dec 05, 2001 03:22:23 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Jim Harley Tue Dec 04, 2001 10:49:25 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Paul McMillan Tue Dec 04, 2001 09:40:46 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Tom Tue Dec 04, 2001 01:53:16 PM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Steve Young Tue Dec 04, 2001 02:27:05 PM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Scott WRG Editor Wed Dec 05, 2001 08:07:47 AM
- It's ok Steve..... - Tom Thu Dec 06, 2001 02:18:19 PM
- Re: It's ok Steve..... - Steve Young Fri Dec 07, 2001 02:08:45 PM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Steve Young Tue Dec 04, 2001 02:27:05 PM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Steve Young Tue Dec 04, 2001 02:20:14 PM
- The odd thing is that....... - Paul Coggan Wed Dec 05, 2001 03:36:53 AM
- Re: The odd thing is that....... (Long response) - Scott WRG Editor Wed Dec 05, 2001 07:57:27 AM
- Re: The odd thing is that....... (Long response) - MGM Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:24:01 AM
- Re: The odd thing is that....... - James D Wed Dec 05, 2001 10:23:52 AM
- Re: The odd thing is that....... (Long response) - Scott WRG Editor Wed Dec 05, 2001 07:57:27 AM
- Re: How we describe warbird projects -long - views sought please - Paul McMillan Wed Dec 05, 2001 11:42:05 AM