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Re: Stop whingeing

Posted by Tony on Fri Apr 26, 2002 07:10:58 AM

In reply top Stop whingeing posted by Paul Stewart on Thu Apr 25, 2002 06:23:48 PM

No Paul, I didn't say ALL museums were bad, and I wasn't trying to get my OWN way, I wasn't getting anything apart from expenses, fuel, telephone calls etc from this deal. The important fact was, that the aircraft was required for a collection, where it would have been absolutely right, and the aircraft offered in exchange, was very very important, the entire deal, was based on "Fair exchange is no robbery" However, the distinct impression I was left with, was that while they were more than happy to have us DONATE the important airframe, they did not want to let an aircraft go, which bore absolutly no relevance to their theme or collection, and which had originally been obtained, to make up the numbers.Any way, I am now talking to the real power behind the throne on this particular aircraft, so, with any luck, 2 very important exchanges will happen.

As regards your comments about joint ownership of a warbird, and it being Naive in the extreme? What gives you the right, to critcize, especially, when I didn't notice any input from you at the time? So a syndicate formed, with shares offered to bring an aircraft in from the cold, is unrealistic? Several warbird owners contributed to the thread, and the overriding theme, was "start small, and make that work" so the scheme in itself, isn't an impossibily, or are you saying that syndicates based on donations and shares don't work? Oh well, let me phone CAF , and tell them, their entire scheme doesn't work.

Imagination and enthusiasm, are the 2 things that drive this movement forward. Would you criticize Elliott for trying to bring a Whitley back from the dead, or me and Phil and Tom and Dave and Mick and Paul et al for trying to get a Whirlwind built?

As for critcizing the way museums run their affairs, have you been down to Staverton lately? Have you been to Sandtoft? There are UK museums, that "make do and mend" and are important. There are other Uk museums, that do have funding through careful house management etc., and there are other so called museums, who frankly, you wouldn't trust with the household budget, never mind preserving important airframes.

I think the problem that infuriates Richard, is that here he is , with the substantial remains of a Tirpitz lanc, and no one he has spoken to thus far is interested, including one museum, that told him "We don't want the place looking like a scrapyard" Hmmmmmm I like my museums to have a scrapyard bit, it emphasises to the punters, just how they turn bits of metal, back into exhibits.

You mention being a donor to several UK museums, is that financially, or in terms of parts/exhibits? If so, well done Paul, but, please don't criticize people, for having dreams and ambitions, or at least, if you must do so, then try and do so in a positive fashion, or at least, if , as you seem to imply, you have a great deal of experience in this field, then please try and act in the spirit of the board, i.e. contribute.

Tony :0)



: You didn't get your own way in a deal once, therefore all
: Museums are bad???
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: I for one am proud of what UK aviation Museums have achiev
: ed and am pleased to be a donor to several of them. Do you
: really think that the large majority of Museums in the UK
: wouldn't give their right arm to have a Lanc in their col
: lection???
:
: Given how the discussion went for joint ownership of a war
: bird a few months back (i.e. naive in the extreme), I thin
: k it is extremely rich of folks on this board to sit on th
: eir high horses and criticise how others manage their fina
: ncial affairs.
:
: Enthusiasm and imagination are wonderful things but someti
: mes they do need to be tempered with a dose of reality.

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