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Re: Engines availability
Posted by Mikael Olrog on Tue May 14, 2002 03:22:21 PM
In reply top Re: Engines availability posted by Ron Henry on Tue May 14, 2002 01:25:14 PM
Hi THere.
Well it wasn't the engines that were the problem, among other things it was the rubberbits on the engine mounts which reduced the vibrations, also the aircraft leaked. THey didn't have any manuals or sparepart catalouges. So they used parts which they modified from aircraft like SAAB 17, He 115 and J22 as well as some scratch built parts. I did the same reflection as you did, why didn't they contact the spaniards? I guess it was because of the international isolation of spain because of Franco. Between 1945 and when the Do 24 was taken out of commision in 1951 the Do 24 flew an average of 90 hours a year - not very much. During 1949/50 the cost per flying hour increased from 450 SEK to 1110 SEK. So they concluded that the cost to keep it flying was to high and sadly scrapped it.
/Mikael
: : There were storage depots all around europe for several
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: : ars after the war, probably into the fifties. The spanis
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: : ds almost made a deal for some 500 Jumo 211 engines and
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: : 11 propellers located in Stetin, Poland. The deal was br
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: : ered through sweden in 1949 with the knowledge of Russia
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: : authourities. A workshop was set up in Stockholm with sp
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: : ish people who would check the engines prior to shippmen
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: : to spain. The sale was hindered by the POlish ambassador
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: : ho notified UN which denounced the sale because of the i
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: : lation of Spain. Later on some Jumos were bought from de
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: : ts in France.
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: : I know the Swedish air force searched depots in frnace,
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: : nmark and norway for spare parts for the sole Do 24 in s
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: : dish service. Unfortunately they didn't find any parts s
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: : it was taken out of service in the mid -50's.
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: : It would be interesting to see photos and information on
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: : hese depots that obviously exsisted quite far into 50's
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: : d later.
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: : /Mikael
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: Mmmm.....interesting. I can't remember what engines the Do
: 24 had, but the Spanish managed to keep 3 of their boats g
: oing until c 1970.
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: : : : Hi all,
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: : : : It never ceases to amaze me where aiframes and/or pa
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: : : : e found all over the globe. What aiframe parts canno
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: : : : ourced they can be made anew.
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: : : : The situation concerning engines is completely diffe
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: : : : Although there is a reasonable supply of Merlin and
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: : : : n V1710 engines as well as a good supply of the Amer
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: : : : adials, examples of German/Italian and Japanese engi
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: : : : e very much in short supply.
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: : : : Regarding German aircraft projects using V-12 engine
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: : : : e is a general trend to use an original engine. Buch
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: : : : e being re-engined using DB601/603/605 series if ava
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: : : : . The chances that such an engine could be located i
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: : : : d purely on luck (I think) and a large bankaccount n
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: : : : to acquire one.
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: : : : The Daimler Benz for instance was built under licens
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: : : : weden, Italy, Hungary, but as you know the Daimler B
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: : : : gines are extremely rare especially airworthy ones o
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: : wh
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: : : : h you need at least two.
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: : : : What I am curious about is:
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: : : : Are there still sources somewhere where examples of
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: : : : rman V-12's (DB and Jumo) can still be found in reas
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: : : : condition and used for airworthy projects. I know t
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: : : : ssia has supplied a lot of engines in the past few y
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: : : : nd I have seen two BMW 801's at North Weald some yea
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: : : : which looked in very good condition, but can engine
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: : : : g in the open for fifty years still be considered su
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: : : : for overhaul and installation in an airworthy aicra
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: : : : Where can good potentially airworthy Germans V-12's
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: : : : Your views please
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: : : : Cheers
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: : : : Cees
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: : :
: : : As for DB60? engines (ie 109 engines) ........ what ab
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: : : the countries that continued to use the type postwar?
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: : : el and Czechoslovakia come to mind (weren't those 109s
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: : : lt as Avia something-or-others?). Fw 190 engines - did
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: : : Turkey use some alongside other fighters? Personally,
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: : : ough I haven't been there, I somehow don't visualise T
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: : : y as the most accessible country.
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: : : What happened at the sites in Germany where the Allies
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: : : apped the Luftwaffe? How was it done - running bulldo
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: : : over the aircraft and burying the scrap? Immediately
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: : : war, surely Germany didn't have the facilities to hand
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: : : ens of thousands of tons of alu scrap, nor do I think
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: : : had a need for it.
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