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Re: facts are diffrent then speculation
Posted by Jeff on Sat Jan 03, 2004 09:19:21 AM
In reply top facts are diffrent then speculation posted by sceptic on Sat Jan 03, 2004 12:21:20 AM
Now, I did not say who did anything like this. I simply stated that if some-one, anyone, behaved in such a manner it is not something to be celebrated but something to be deplored as it comdemns the rest of the airframes to being garbage.
Now if you read the comment I was replying to:
Sometimes it is BETTER to wait and SEE when they are done, and the owners want other people to see and hear what they have, or to view "Their Aircraft" at a Airshow or Personal Hangar. Not talk about them as Smugglers or any Wrong Doing. one day some of you will learn this lesson, and not piss off the people that are paying for these project of History.!!!!
Nowhere in this did it state the people were actually smugglers or whatever and nor did it state the airframes were legitimately aquired just not to upset the people who pay for them, rightly or wrongly. Personally I'd like to see all of the available airframes preserved but if by doing it "through the back door" so to speak you condemn some then that is a travesty and a waste regardless of who is paying for it and whether they are outwardly the best of citizen or the head of the mafia ( either one of which as far as I am concerned is more than welcome to make the best offer and do it in such a way to save the greatest number of airframes available.)
Mind you I have always had quite a reasonable amount of suspicion for anyone who DEMANDS closed doors about things as I have found far too often they hide something less than desirable.
I may be wrong and hope so. as for the people just following orders in the restoration shops I have nothing but respect for them because of the standards of work they do and such. if they are asked to maintain professional discretion that to me makes me wonder what and why is this thing being hidden by the owner for.
before you say more about the majority of the airframe being legitimate then is it not possible that some sections utilised or supplied to them for use in these restorations might not be from such clean sources? that in itself to me might be reason enough to hide what is going on so as to prevent an outcry over the ruining of one airframe scavenged illegally to get another airworthy. No I am not saying it is going on just that it might be and could be a reason for this secrecy surrounding an item known to be somewhere and known to be undergoing maintenance/restoration and known to be in a legitimate shop and known to be in a particular shop andknown to be owned by a respected collector.
so with so much know, why even try and keep it secret?
I just wanted my views on how I don't agree with "stolen" ariframes occuring known. you figured I was pointing fingers. now you know why I might point them and am not doing so not so much because of your assurances from behind the mask of anonymity but despite them.
: It really bothers me when people assert things as facts th
: at they really know nothing about.
:
: The folks in Rialto don't recover or export wrecks from PN
: G. You have no facts in your possession that unscrupulous
: means were used to recover any of the aircraft in question
: , only innuendos from dubious (and very biased) sources. S
: how us the court documents or arrest warrants!
:
: The guys in Rialto operate a business restoring airplanes.
: They are honest and do it well, facts not lost on their c
: ustomers. Their customers are not liars and thieves either
: , they are well respected collectors that often keep their
: PRIVATE business just that- PRIVATE.
:
: There are plenty of houligans, rip-off artists, and opport
: unists in the warbird ranks, just as there are in any indu
: stry or hobby. Some people will do anything to anyone when
: money is involved. Unscrupulous things have occurred in P
: NG (many by residents of PNG I might add!), but please be
: careful in which direction you cast aspersions.
:
: I know more than I can discuss, so I'll just have to leave
: it at that, and that's why I am posting anonymously.
:
: In my opinion, speculation is OK, but unfounded accusation
: s are not. It doesn't help the hobby or industry at all, a
: nd it doesn't foster the historical value of these aircraf
: t, which is why they get recovered and restored after all.
: As it is, these collectors purchase and restore aircraft
: that are worth less money than they have spent in restorat
: ion. Why discourage them more? If these planes didn't have
: the interest of these wealthy folks, they would just rot
: away to nothing or get scrapped for the value of the alumi
: num. The only interest the PNG gov't has in these wrecks i
: s the money they can get out of them. They don't give a da
: mn about the history like we do!
:
: : If they use unscrupulous means to acquire these things a
: nd
: : thereby for the sake of saving one airframe cause the d
: el
: : ayed retrieval and waste of 2 airframes then it to my mi
: nd
: : is not something to be celebrated but something to be c
: on
: : demned as the saving of one at the cost of the rest is n
: ot
: : something for the greater good.