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Yeap, be back in Taiwan on the 12th (maybe)
Posted by Will Fowler on Sat Nov 03, 2001 12:09:16 AM
In reply top Will, are u still in China? N/T posted by Tony on Fri Nov 02, 2001 07:29:57 AM
: Hi Tony,
Yeap, still in Dong Guang, hope to be back across the straight on the 12th (maybe) it all depends on how the development stuff turns out, tight schedule.
keep up the great posting.
Best regards,
Will
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: : : Mr Scheil Sir
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: : : I simply had no idea. Thanks Joe, for a very very inte
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: : : I think it's time to tell us all, about that undoubted
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: : : Did"They were expendable" affect you deeply too..?
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: : : For all of you, who have never heard a Merlin/Packard
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: : : : : Which boats used Packard/RR V-1650 series engines?
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: : : : A. None of them! As the war surplus Merlins were u
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: : : : were Packard powered, it was always assumed by most
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: : : : hey must have been Merlins. Boat racing used up and
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: : : : ps preserved the Merlin for posterity, but hundreds
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: : : : estroyed racing.
: : : : Packard Motor Car Company was by the 1920's beginnin
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: : : : mill, but was still too much of a racing design. T
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: : : : t was the 3M-1500 of 800hp. (1500 cid) a successful
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: : : : n. It grew to the 4M-2500 a 1200hp engine powering
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: : : : ' and 104' boats from Elco, Higgins and Vosper. Thi
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: : : : This prolific engine was a pure Packard design and w
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: : : : sidered "the most perfect marine engine of its type"
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: : : : ficial communication to Packard. The 4M 2500 was b
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: : : : o a Packard 16, the 1M 3300, and had 2500 hp. A few
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: : : : n may 28 1940 Packard agreed to produce the Merlin X
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: : : : Model 28 block. The company regretted taking the j
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: : : : as all the British threads, measures and tooling had
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: : : : y began to love the best liquid cooled engine as the
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: : : : . Packard refined the engine in concert with RR and
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: : : : charger on the 1650-5 was a Packard refinement and w
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: : : : led two speed, but was in a sense an overdrive, and
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: : : : ed by RR. Testing began in August of 1941 and at th
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: : : : Packard constructed 55,523 Merlins.
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: : : : losses, 219 to Russia, and 481 surplused or scrapped
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: : : : A long post, but a subject dear to my heart. Intere
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