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Re: Why the petty sarcasm?
Posted by Will Fowler on Fri Sep 06, 2002 05:02:58 AM
In reply top Why the petty sarcasm? posted by Tony on Thu Sep 05, 2002 07:14:54 PM
Hi Tony,
Thanks for thje 'slap on the wrist' you are correct, we should not be using tose kinds of words to describe the Germans, I think Andy was really trying to have a go at the German goverments way of doing this, it reminds me of the 'US navy' stance and well that is just blind stupied.
I do wish the German people to have examples of 'their' war time products, without them many many things that we see common place would have been years behind where they are today.
But they 'the Germans' need to approach this in another way, the projects are out there, in Germany as well, they have the same skills that any warbird hunter have, possibly more, so they can get these items if they really want them, and inregards to the 'engines' well that really is a problem of their own making, someone with high enough power should have just put their bloody foot down and told the bean counters to pull their fingers out of their arse and get on with something useful, but there again, our lot (British goverment departments) are just as bad, probably worse so....
Again Tony, thanks for bringing us back in line, excellent posting as normal, hope all is well.
Kind regards,
Will
: Is this the start of an "Us versus the Huns thread"?
:
: Some of your remarks, are just plain tasteless, uncalled f
: or, and very ill-informed Andy.
:
: Now before we all go on, about the "Beastly Boche" lets tr
: y and remember something.
:
: The German museums organisations, are trying to restore th
: eir heritage. I am fortunate and priveleged enough to coun
: t myself as the friend of one of the prime movers in this
: organisation. A man, who among other things, has a very la
: rge say, in what leaves Germany and what doesn't.
:
: Right now, this man is tearing what is left of his hair ou
: t, trying to recover aircraft from Poland, that have gone
: very very "Politikal"
:
: The Poles are insisting, that the aircraft are Nazi artifa
: cts, and as such, "War Prizes". Now anyone with a modicum
: of common sense, knows that the original collection was SO
: C by the RAF in 1943-44, and the Germans did a hell of a j
: ob, getting any sort of collection together, just in time
: for the Russians to relieve them of the responsibility of
: looking after it.
:
: This row, has gone all the way to the top. The German Gove
: rnment, has offered everything short of dual nationality t
: o Polish citizens to try and do this deal. The German Air
: Force, even let a third party country, with an appaling hu
: man rights record, have Jets at a bargain price, just to e
: xtract ONE aircraft, that MIGHT swing the deal.
:
: The 3rd party country reneged (quelle surprise) leaving th
: e Germans high and dry, and still desperately trying to ba
: rgain.
:
: Now, at the time I was hauling Iskras out of Poland, I ask
: ed the Poles what they wanted, and I have their dream list
: . There are 3 aircraft on the list, any of which, they wil
: l do a deal on. One is possible, the other 2? let's just s
: ay if the German Government couldn't do it with low hours
: RF-4's the rest of us don't stand a chance. For the record
: , those aircraft are:
:
: 1 x genuine Polish Hurricane
: 1x Halifax - you would not believe the deep symbolism of
: the Halibag in Poland
: 1x PZL-24.
:
: Other also rans, are a Mustang (Must be Polish) and a Libe
: rator.
:
: In other words, not impossible, but you see the problem.
:
: The Germans are insisting on ownership of these aircraft r
: ight now, because they have very little, in the way of exc
: hange stock, for something that might come along.
:
: No one criticises Bodo, but I think it's apalling, the way
: the Norwegians are laying claim to everything that ain't
: nailed down in that country.But, that's me personal feelin
: g. We know why their doing it, because it gives them inven
: tory and leverage.
:
: This rule, does not just apply to Auslanders. it applies t
: o German organisations too. Do you remember the saga of th
: e frankfurt engines? Well i know most of the story now, an
: d even the german museums, and I mean, the Government owne
: d ones, had a hell of a job, trying to get the Finance min
: istry to release them. Why? Because they were never offici
: ally taken on charge by the Luftwaffe. In other words, the
: finance ministry still owned them, and some Joe "Arbeiter
: sworth" wanted the paperwork from 1945 tied up.
:
: If the Germans lay claim to the Emil, so what? They'll sti
: ll have to deal with the man who has legal ownership of th
: e aircraft, and he is a canny chap, he knows he can get a
: deal.
: Now, can we stop Jerry-bashing?
:
: They are not ogres, and surprisingly enough, they want the
: same as all of us, preservation of historic airframes.
:
: ...I must say though, it is really jolly decent of you to
: offer to donate your luftwaffe bits. I'm sure I can arrang
: e for you to get some nice RAF lumps in return. Bear in mi
: nd, that as there is an ownership dispute, it is illegal t
: o sell the bits, as they were never officially SOC by the
: Luftwaffe. I read somewhere, I think it was Merlin 3945 on
: the Flypast board, that it is in fact, illegal to sell bi
: ts from RAF aircraft,digs, excavations or otherwise unless
: title has been specifically granted to do so. Of course,
: he may be wrong, but he seemed to know his onions.
:
: Cordially
:
: Tony :0)